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Post by francoise on Nov 25, 2004 10:45:18 GMT
i have been thinking that anna your right there , if i can see the good from the bad and start to question stuff it must be an improvement eh , how do you feel now anna, do you feel more prepared or is it just as bad francoise
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Post by francoise on Dec 7, 2004 16:05:42 GMT
I just wanted the physical side of pni mentioned again because i read what veritee said on the pnd for men thread ,i was thinking that if any new people are looking on here and suffering really bad physically then it might be an idea to list our physical symtoms and the mental ones to so women could relate to it straight away ,when i came on the site first i was feeling desperately ill physically more so then as the other stuff did come along though soon afterwards but i do get alot of aches and pains and feel really bad still sometimes now and i just wondered what you girls thought. love fran
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Post by francoise on Jan 9, 2005 20:54:04 GMT
hi girls . i wanted to bring this one back in again as i feel its important to new members to see what physical things are there in pni sometimes , i know not much has been mentioned on here yet compared to what has been mentioned on the site altogether but i thought it might be a good thread to note them down as they come up. anyway its just a thought...xxxxxxxxxxx
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Babytales
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Post by Babytales on Jan 9, 2005 23:43:17 GMT
Thanks for bringing this post back to the top fran, it really does help to read how other people have so many physical symptoms too.
Maybe this thread could be pinned to the top of the list so that new members see it?
I know when I joined a few days ago, all I wanted was some reassurance that others had such severe physical symptoms as I was experiencing.
They don't really educate you in PNI - I went to anti-natal classes and they told us about baby blues and post natal depression, but not once did they mention the physical symptoms to look out for, only the depression.
For the last few months I've felt like I've been going mad and that even my doctor thought I was making it all up, because of all these strange physical symptoms. It's been great to come here and get such a huge comfort and great support from you all.
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Post by Carmen on Jan 9, 2005 23:47:45 GMT
I felt the same as you. It was such a relief when Fran first mentioned the physical symptoms on here - I had no idea how ill you could be with PND. I didnt go to the doctor for so long because I thought i was dying and had no idea it could be all from PND
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Post by francoise on Jan 9, 2005 23:48:19 GMT
yes tired i will ask veritee to leave this at the top , it was the same for me , it was so hard when initially i didnt think i had any depression and that it was the physical things wrong with me that was getting me down , i think it was that at the time though , it helps to know doesnt it that we are not the only ones , love fran xxxxx
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Post by Babytales on Jan 9, 2005 23:53:49 GMT
Yes, it was all physical for me in the beginning. I've been looking back at my diary and think I first saw the doctor about my dizzy spells and tiredness 6 weeks after having my baby. Which means I'd probably had them for 2 weeks before doing anything.
Because the depression didn't come until later, I put that down to getting depressed because I was so physically ill and didn't know how to cope, rather than it being another symptom.
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Post by francoise on Jan 9, 2005 23:56:23 GMT
that was me to hun , i thought that and had so many arguments with the docs as they said over and over again it was post natal depression and i was saying do more tests , its not that im not depressed im fed up with being ill all the time , god i was so frantic , i used to barge inj the clinicd ewveryday feeling like crap and shouting n stuff to get heard , i felt desperate .....
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Post by francoise on Jan 26, 2005 18:15:07 GMT
anna i thought we could talk about the breathing thing on here if u like as it looks like it could be pni after all causing it , it was for me hun , i still struggle with it after so many tests , i been again today and was given the all clear physically but she wasnt impressed with my progress atall mentally ,
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Post by francoise on Jan 27, 2005 1:42:20 GMT
i did just want to mention headaches and sweats again , its so annoying when u wake up dripping in sweat and have a bad head to , thats where i am right now , cant sleep , splitting head ache and i stink i been sweating so much , the doc was dissapointed with my progress today and said she was referiong me to some people , ill have a look what these people are in the morning , it was a funny name , you shpould of seen me today stripped off telling her my ribs were broke and sticking out , she made me do all sorts and i was so shocked when she didnt send me straight to hospital , i did forsee that yet again and it didnt happen , i bet it nmight when im recovered you know and then i would get a proper shock ..back to bed before i start telling you my life history as im in the chatting mood again , night babes everywhere , night one potato to , , i cant really call you pot , hm gonna have to think about this xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Post by annag on Jan 27, 2005 9:57:08 GMT
What is the night sweating thing about? My kids get in every morning and the elder one says you need a shower again mum. I have a bath every night and a shower in the mornings but I still hum on waking. Dont think its the anti d's for me beuse I was bad before. Yeah I think the breathing with me is definately pni something to do with my hyperventilating. I'm not aware I do this but feel I must as i get really dizzy. I said to the doctor I feel like there is a huge bubble of air under my ribs. He said its not beuse I swallowed it but access adrenalin that makes me feel like this. I dont really know but feel it must be panic and would love to see it gone for good. I wont take my little boy to a soft play centre this afternoon because I may drop dead in there how stupid is that. Even if I did why would it be so much worse than doing it at home. I mine if I'm seriously dieing why would that be worse out and about than at home. If anybody knows the answer here a I'm really curious. I am doing alot more this week but the panic and the thought are always there how long does this last?
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Post by francoise on Jan 27, 2005 10:26:25 GMT
hi anna
as u know i have had the breathing thing since pregnancy but it got worse after the birth , now with me when i hear i have the all clear im alright for a while and then it comes back again slowly till i hear it again , do u take ure peak flow , i was talking about this to the doctor and she said im always anxious and on edge and i always have doom in my head , well do you actualy feel short of breath anna like when u have been running , mines like that and i get aload of pain in my ribs at the side and my upper back , all the docs i seen say its depression but i dont get it atall
love fran x
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Post by annag on Jan 27, 2005 11:01:30 GMT
Yeah actually noticably short of breath like I've been running. I was also a bit like that when pregnant but I put it down to the baby lieing high. I dont get pain just discomfort like I said like something is there pressure. It gets worse if I'm stressed about something or have to go somewhere.
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Post by Veritee on Jan 27, 2005 11:24:31 GMT
Dear Fran tired and others
I am sure this is off the wall, but can I ask how old you are?
The reason I ask it because the headaches and night sweats are exactly like menopause and menopause is much worse in terms of symptoms than anyone really prepares you for - and menopause really does nave no other reason than hormones?
I ask because by the time Caja was four I was pretty much recovered from PNI and had a few years of comparative peace.
Then when she was about 7 having realised that I maybe was reaching the menopause due to having failed to conceive, had a hormone level test which said my hormone levels were menopausal and had menstruation irregularities - I then started to have the symptoms you describe out of the blue and they hit me like a hammer they were so severe and actually were 10 times worse than when I had PNI
For a time I was really worried that somehow PNI had come back, but then I started to get the other symptoms such as hot flushes and after a period that lasted several months, my periods ceased altogether and I was only in my late 40s.
I am not saying that you or anyone else with these symptoms are necessarily having an early menopause like me ( but it is worth considering)
But it is as far as I am concerned good evidence that some PNI symptoms are hormone based at least.
The difference is that in menopause no one puts your symptoms down to your mental state, even my doctor completely acknowledges that they are due to hormones - even though he has nothing to offer me in terms of treatment - tried HRT and that’s another story.
Like PNI many women do not get menopausal symptoms or if they do they are mild, but for those of us who suffer, they are dire and really affect the quality of our lives.
I would say that what you describe is so like menopause that is provably hormonal, that to my mind it has to be hormonal too. I am also wondering about the breathing and the palpitations too. I have not had breathing problems but I do know this is also a menopausal symptom for some and when I have the hot flushes I also have palpitations sometimes and I knew these are not related to stress - but the hormone fluctuations.
Well just a few thoughts on the possible hormone cause for these symptoms - as they are so like menopause.
all the best
Veritee
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Post by annag on Jan 27, 2005 12:12:36 GMT
Veritee I'm only 31 I know I could be menopausal but I don't think so. I'm with you it could be strong evidence that it is a hormonal imbalance. I have heard that if you have pni you are much more likely to suffer with pms and have a bad menopause. I think we suffer form a hormonal imbalance which is triggered by all of these things. I still think correct the hormones and we would be most of the way to a cure. I was going to ask about the oestrogen patches which some doctors perscribe but someone else said are they not linked to breast cancer. Do you know anything about oestrogen patches?
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