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p.p
Apr 2, 2006 9:52:55 GMT
Post by bam02 on Apr 2, 2006 9:52:55 GMT
I think you can feel very weak and the sleeplesness doesn't help. Have the docs given you any meds for sleep short term- then again with babies and children about they don't always like to!
Just thinking if you could sleep better even with meds for a short time it would help you find out where the main problems are and convince your doctor its not just the sleep thing.
Don't know just thinking aloud!!!
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p.p
Apr 2, 2006 10:14:02 GMT
Post by marion on Apr 2, 2006 10:14:02 GMT
I agree Bamo - it really helped me to get sleep. Was knocked outin hospital for a while so I could catch up and do have a supply of zaleplon sleeping tabs so when I cant sleep for a while Ihave one of those just for a couple of nights so I can catch up agian. Mark looks after CHloe in the nights which is good. Sleep makes SUCH a difference!
I didnt mean to say that PND wasnt serious like PP = just meant it's different. Think it's sometimes hard to keep a grasp on reality though when you're feelng really bad but I find I can tell the difference so dont think I have pp. PND and sleep derpravation can make you feel so ill and weak - know what you mean Sammyjo bout the weakness - when really bad I couldnt hold Chloe as I was so scared I would drop her because I felt so disorientated/weak.
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p.p
Apr 2, 2006 10:15:20 GMT
Post by francoise on Apr 2, 2006 10:15:20 GMT
its a fact eh bam that sleep deprivation does cause pyshcosis, it can send you totally outt of it , even little short naps are better than whole long periods without any sleep , its so important but so hard to get when u have a babies around eh , its the time when hands on support is a must if you can get it and instead of using the time to do housework its best to get ure head down and sod the housework , just the stuff that has to be done eh and everything else can wait or be done by other halfs
fran xxx
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p.p
Apr 2, 2006 10:19:17 GMT
Post by bam02 on Apr 2, 2006 10:19:17 GMT
I know what you means - I knew you didn't think it wasn't serious -blimey sound like you are agood example of just how bad it can be!!But others do and many don't seek help becasue they feel they might not be deserving or its just life!!!
Sorry get all tied up here!!
I think its the link between the two that isn't understood even if there is one.
Yes PND can be mild - but it can be bad too and so much debate on this has gon on here and else where - i think we all get confused!
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p.p
Apr 2, 2006 10:44:37 GMT
Post by marion on Apr 2, 2006 10:44:37 GMT
IT's difficult to leave the house work though - I feel really on edge unless everything is done to the way Ilike it - no point anyone else doing it as I like it done my way!!!!!!!!!!
I feel for anyone suffering with PP or any form of post natal illness. It'sdifficult to understand PP unless you suffer from it yourself.
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p.p
Apr 2, 2006 10:52:25 GMT
Post by bam02 on Apr 2, 2006 10:52:25 GMT
You are probably right there, but we can try to help do you think? Like its best to acknowledge than ignore it especially if someone is on the recovery side of PP? Does it then become PNI for instance or is it always PP ??
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p.p
Apr 2, 2006 16:20:16 GMT
Post by hannah457 on Apr 2, 2006 16:20:16 GMT
hi Veriee. my doctor diagnosed me with postnatal psychosis. it was a case of you have this illness, heres some tablets, come back in 2 weeks. didn't even tell me what this postnatal psychosis was. had to look it up on the web to find out what it was. i read the symptoms of the illness and i feel in myself that Ive been diagnosed wrong. i know I'm having visions but they mainly happen when Ivie had a really bad night. I'm going to talk to my c.p.n and see what she says about it and i will let you know what she says love Hannah xx
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p.p
Apr 2, 2006 16:23:30 GMT
Post by yoyo on Apr 2, 2006 16:23:30 GMT
It must be tough for you at the moment Hannah. If you're not sure you've been diagnosed right it may be best as you say to talk it through with someone who can reassure you. I find it disgusting that the doc was happy to say you had postnatal physchosis (ooops can't spell) and just give you tablets etc. but not tell you anything about it or how things might go etc? You are doing so well, whatever it is that you have, we're here for you x
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p.p
Apr 2, 2006 16:48:43 GMT
Post by cheshire on Apr 2, 2006 16:48:43 GMT
Hi Hannah, I can only echo what YoYo said - it is disgusting and I'm sure, very frightening, not to have been given a full explanation by your GP... Hope the talk with your CPN goes ok. We're here for you whatever and whenever. Keep in touch Thinking of you Hopeful
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p.p
Apr 2, 2006 17:58:24 GMT
Post by Veritee on Apr 2, 2006 17:58:24 GMT
Dear Hannah
Yes this is must be quite frightening for you - I was worried from the first when you said you were diagnosed with PP and yet it was not being treated like a medical emergency that Puerperal Psychosis normally is?
I did wonder how much you knew about what PP is considered to be??
In fact it was quite confusing for us all and as you can see it has continued the debate that we have had many times on what is PP and what is PNI and when is one the other and visa versa.
I think the problem is that not even General Practitioners are always absolutely sure about the two illnesses or if they are separate at all?
Perhaps if we were all referred to PP/PNI specialists the diagnosis would be more clear?
What I truly think my self currently ( and tmy opinion could change as I am learning all the time)
is that many with PNI have the symptoms you describe - I had everything you described and more but while I was scared at the time that I may have had PP, now I doubt I actually did ! ( well realy I waver between thinging I might have and thinking it was severe PNI and PNI is worse than we are generally told!!!)
- but that in the main women do not tell their doctors the full extent of their symptoms when they have PNI for fear it will lead to other difficulties like problems with social services etc ( this is probably not going to be a problem so we fear it)
So that if a women does tell their GP some GPs will assume that as their training is that PNI is relatively mild and does not include these psychotic type symptoms - then you must have PP!
This may have happened to you ? or you may have PP we can not know as we are not medically trained. But if you do have PP it is not yet, and hopefully never will be ,at a level that some women experience it - a level that means they just have no option but to be hospitalized
- as you seem to have a good grasp on the fact that even thought your have these symptoms - you still know that they are caused by and illness and this is not just what your reality is!!
I hope you understand what I mean?
So to reassure you - what you describe - whatever your diagnosis sounds very much what I and many others went thought and we got through it without hospitalization
Some women obviously do get Puerperal Psychosis at such a level they require immediate hospitalization - but this does not at all sound like where you are at the moment.
So yes I really would go back to your CPN and your GP and discuss this with them - perhaps ask if you could in fact actually have servere PNI as your are in contact with others who did not have PP but did have some of the same symptoms?
But whatever you are diagnosed with - I think from what you have told us we share a lot with you and we want very much to support you.
As I have said before - we really do not care in terms of supporting women what labels their illness is given - as long as we can relate to each other and want each others support
then this is good enough for us on this forum
Take Care
Veritee
PS let us know what happens?
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p.p
Apr 2, 2006 19:41:30 GMT
Post by marion on Apr 2, 2006 19:41:30 GMT
Is it ok if I add that on the subject of hospitalisation it's not as scary as people think.
I was admitted 1 week before chrismas and all I wanted was to be at home for my baby's 1st christmas so that made me feel worse, that and the thought that I was selfish for needing to be away from her - felt so guilty! But for some of us it's the only way to get on the road to feeling better. I think if Ihadnt been away from everything it would have taken me 10 times longer to get to where Iam now.
I dont think I was sectioned (lost track a bit) but I knew that hospital was the best place as it gave me a break and the chance to get knocked out so I could sleep (although the nurses come round every hour and shine a torch in your face to see if you're sleepin gwhich doesnt help)!!!!!!!! The nurses are fantastic and were always there to reassure me and listen whenever I needed them, day or night.
There are also specialist mother and baby units too which, should it come to it again, I have been told I would be addmitted to.
I;m sure it wont come to hospitalisation for you Hannah but I just wanted to say to anyone who does have to be admitted that, although it's scary to think you need to go in it's OK once you're there and people there are fantastic and will help you know end. DOnt know if that sounds right - but it can be such a positive to get that intensive 24 hr help.
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p.p
Apr 16, 2006 16:03:44 GMT
Post by hannah457 on Apr 16, 2006 16:03:44 GMT
my cpn went mad about this diagnoses she said Ive not got p.p I'm just severely depressed.
hannah xx
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p.p
Apr 16, 2006 19:36:13 GMT
Post by bam02 on Apr 16, 2006 19:36:13 GMT
PP throws up so much your cpn may be right - it doesn't play down any symptoms you have its just a different view on things.. Severely depressed is bad enough without anything else added. I have been told chronic anxiety and depression - chronic meaning it doesn't go away (in my view)!!! But as we have explored you can have post natal pyschosis - which is not the severe PP! But if in the grip of any of these illnesses - what does it matter the label its bloody hard - what ever you have.
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p.p
Apr 16, 2006 20:10:40 GMT
Post by cheshire on Apr 16, 2006 20:10:40 GMT
I agree BAM - it's hard whatever the label is...and labels are just that, what society/ medics abritarily impose sometimes.. But we'll keep going and will be stronger and wellxx
HopefulX
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p.p
Jul 3, 2006 20:17:42 GMT
Post by Vikki on Jul 3, 2006 20:17:42 GMT
Hi Hannah
My name is Vikki, I used this site mainly last year when I was very ill.
I have been suffering with Severe Psychotic Post Natal Depression It's a bit of a mouthful!!).
I though I would post as Veritee mentioned me in her reply to you, I like to pop in and see how people are doing, but I felt compelled to reply to you in this difficult time for you.
Veritee has been a huge help to me, especially when I was experiencing the same sort of symptoms you described in your thread.
I too saw shadows, and other manifestations in my TV as Veritee explained, it was a most frightening time for me, as I'm sure you relate to.
The worst part of the illness was my thoughts of harming my chiildren, they got so bad that Social Services eventually were involved.
PLease don't let me panioc you about this, I'm sure this is not your situation, but I feel I need to let you know how things have turned out for me.
Social services, although a shock at the time, were of tremendous help to me, and even though I was very very ill, there was never any talk of taking the children away.
I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know that can be a huge worry to many women suffering with all degrees of PNI, but that really is not what they are there for.
I take a high dose of Prozac along with an anti-psychotic drug called Risperidone, to begin with, it really dulled my brain, and one of the benefits is that I get a really good nights sleep ( I find if I don't sleep things can get bad, even now when I am almost recovered!!!).
I really do feel that I am nearly over my illness, and have recently started working ( a huge step for me).
I just wanted you to know that women who are in a similar situation do come through this, and although things can seem so very dark, there will be a light at the end of the tunnel.
I think it helps to embrace the treatment they offer you, because the biggest step is wanting to get better.
I tried so many things before we found an approach that worked ( that was due to other medical problems I had, i'm not suggesating that you will have the same experience).
The biggest help I found was having fantastic support from my Husband and my parents, so if you need help, ask fopr it, or if you aren't able to, maybe your husband could do it for you.
I was so bad at asking for help, I had to worte letters to my GP as I couldn't talk to him, but once I got the help, it really was the beginning of the end of my illness.
I don't know if that helps at all, I seem to have rambled on forever.
Take care, I will pop in now and again, if you need to talk, although the girls here are fabulous, this really is the best place to be for great support.
Vikki xx
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