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Jul 11, 2004 10:31:42 GMT
Post by Veritee on Jul 11, 2004 10:31:42 GMT
Hi everyone
Deborah mentioned PMS and it reminded me of how bad this was for me after PNI so I thought it might be worth starting a thread on this.
It used to affect me so badly that I once went to a very, very important meeting on the morning that un known to me my period was going to start almost directly after the meeting had finished.
This meeting was to negotiate a building of a new youth centre in a local secondary school's surplus playing field. Needless to say the school (Redruth and it did get built - it has been there several years now) Was not that convinced about having a youth Centre in its campus even though the youth service is education department managed the same as schools.
I had been involved in the plans for this youth centre from the start, I did research with young people as to what they wanted, was on the committee, talked to councillors, even found the land proposed to build it on.
Anyway to cut a long story short this meeting was a PR exercise with a presentation , to bring the school round.
Something happened to me which I later realised was severe PMS. I all but scuppered the meeting, I behaved like a 40ish naughty teenager, I was downright rude to the teachers who had come. My behaviour was really out of character, but it did so much damage as these people did not realise I was not always like this. My colleagues did and were in fact very worried about me but this did not stop me having to leave this working group as it was felt they could never trust me again in those situations. This meant that this youth centre that I had worked so hard to make happen I was never part of its completion and was not even asked to its open ceremony.
I could give you many example of how PMS affected my life seriously until thankfully really I had an early menopause!
However the menopause itself was not easy, I would have extended periods of PMS which for a short time before my periods actually stopped, escalated into what I called ‘rages’ My temper really was uncontrollable.
In many ways it was worse in terms of affecting my career than PNI because PNI was continuous but PMS would hit out of the blue and the wrong time and with PMS I really felt 'mad' is only for a few minutes or hours and my behaviour would be mad, I never felt mad with PNI. But for short periods , I felt Mad wityh pMS.
Durring this horrible menopause I left the youth service which had been my vocation since about 1976. There were other reasons but the menopause and the accompanying PNS was the final nail. I no longer had any patience, I was unpredictable and during an attack my behaviour was eratic. Ironically this had not happened with PNI, I had worked all the time I had this despite all the things that wre going on, and while of course it did cause problems this was mainly in terms of others attitudes to having a youth worker who openly admitted to having PNI continue to work with other peoples children.
Anyway has anyone else experienced this severer PMS since PNI or found they got PMS for the first time or it got worse?
All the best
Veritee
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Jul 11, 2004 11:12:35 GMT
Post by Catherine on Jul 11, 2004 11:12:35 GMT
I must say although I have recovered from PNI I get PMS which I chart every month. It has got increasingly better lately since using high doses of Cyclogest (800mg Progesterone per day) for about 14 days per cycle. I must say it was difficult to get hold of as doctors don't seem to want to prescribe it, probably because it is a more natural remedy and tests are not convincing enough for them, however it is available on prescription in the form of suppositories and is highly advocated by Dr. Katherina Dalton, a PNI/PMS specialist, and it has hardly any significant side effects. It really does work for me, some women say it works miracles, and I wish I had used it during PNI but I was not aware of it at the time and my doctors weren't convinced. However I now use it every month and have been for the last 4 months. As I chart my symptoms I have noticed that I get less symptoms and they last only a few days rather than weeks. I am thinking of increasing the dose to irradicate it completely.
On the subject of menopause, I am glad you brought that up. Once I was fully recovered from PNI I reported to my doctor that I was feeling well again and wanted her to update my medical records. At the time I told her my concerns about my future mental health. As I have never suffered from a clinical depression before I was of course, shocked by the breakdown of my mental health. I asked her if it was possible that through this depression I was now susceptable to future mental health problems. She replied that no I shouldn't be but that the only time I need to watch out will be around the menopause. So here I am well and recovered but in some ways a bit fearful of my future mental health and also the effects of the looming menopause.
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Jul 12, 2004 20:36:18 GMT
Post by newwie on Jul 12, 2004 20:36:18 GMT
Hi, I dont know if this is the same but i suffer after my period has finished my mood swings i have noticed plumitt down not before that though i dont think just afterl like i am ok whislt but after is the worst so i dont think pms but i find myself losing control of my emotions and telling people what i think etc and hurting people but i cant help it it just over takes.
Newwie
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Jul 12, 2004 21:10:46 GMT
Post by Lainey not logged on on Jul 12, 2004 21:10:46 GMT
Hi
Before I had my daughter I had never suffered PMS, but since her birth and my subsequent PNI, I now experience PMS. I get very short-tempered and feel so agitated and quite angry. I have to say it is easing now and I don't seem to be so bad. But during my worst time with PNI it was quite bad.
I now take a supplementary vitamin drink called PMS Escape which is purely natural ingredients (a bit like drinking a potato if that makes sense) and it is supposedly the carbohydrate content of this drink that eases pms. I find it does help to calm me down and if I feel it coming on I take one. Obviously this is something that works for me and I am in no way trying to claim that this rids you of PMS, it just seems to help me.
My Doctor did tell me that after each child you have PMS gets worse!!! Do people agree with this!
Best wishes
Elaine
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Jul 12, 2004 23:08:36 GMT
Post by yorkslass on Jul 12, 2004 23:08:36 GMT
HI Lainey
Where do you get this drink from?
Do you take it everyday?
How much dose it cost as I may try it.
melx
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Jane
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Jul 13, 2004 4:14:15 GMT
Post by Jane on Jul 13, 2004 4:14:15 GMT
Hi
I'm really glad this thread has been started, because I seem to be suffering since coming off my anti-d's.
I did have mild PMS before having my son but I never really kept track of it so am not sure if it affected me every month. Since the birth I have been on and off anti-d's and felt dreadful most of the time anyway so did not notice whether I felt worse before a period or not. Since coming off my tablets though I have suffered really badly every month. I know when my period is going to start because I feel dreadful the day before. It really scares me because it makes me feel that the PNI is back again, although my symptoms are not exactly the same. I tend to feel very arguementative with the PMS as well as feeling generally down.
Lainey I'd be interested in finding out more about the drinks that you use. Can you give me a name so I can look into it? Thanks.
Also be interested in any other natural remedies that anyone might know of. After coming off the anti-d's I really don't want to take medication for it. It's not that bad anyway, just unpleasant, but knowing that it will be gone when I get my period makes it easier to cope with.
Interesting that someones GP said that PMS gets worse with each pregnancy. If I knew about PNI and PMS before getting pregnant, I'm not sure if I would have done it at all.
Thanks Love Jane
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Lainey
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First time mum to Rebecca who is 21 months. Suffered PNI for a year and a half - now recovered
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Jul 13, 2004 21:11:08 GMT
Post by Lainey on Jul 13, 2004 21:11:08 GMT
Hi Mel and Jane The drink is called PMS Escape and I buy it on the internet (purely for convenience, you can buy it over the telephone also) Check out www.pmsescape.com which explains all about the drink and even has a FAQ section so you can really look into it before deciding to buy. However, do not buy it from this website as it is an american site and more costly. I buy mine from www.biovite.co.uk. This is also a good site and again explains how and why this drink is supposed to help pms. You can either buy online or by phone. As I say it really works for me. I don't take it every day Mel, just when I start to feel that dreaded PMS feeling coming on. I usually take one first think in the morning, prior to breakfast and then one again about 4pm. You can then take it for as long as your pms lasts. You take it prior to food and it tastes quite pleasant. Hope that it helps someone in the way it has helped me. Be interested to know what others think if they do try it. Best wishes all Love Elaine xx
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Jul 26, 2004 13:29:24 GMT
Post by Deb on Jul 26, 2004 13:29:24 GMT
Veritee having felt the effects of PNI since birth of my 2nd daughter last Aug, I've felt better slowly since April time, however never experiencing PMS before (ever!) I've since recognised how severe it comes on around a certain time of the month.
Just when you feel you're getting better emotionally, it hits you and it certainly has me. I hate myself for it and after a few months of feeling it, I dread the next period. I just want to feel normal again because I know how it's affected me, my relationship and my family. I have read Dr Daltons book and the connection with PMS after PNI, but would like to know how easy it is to get progesterone prescribed. I don't find my GP alot of help, so if there was an alernative route, then I'd sooner that. Failing that do you know much about the fish oil supplements that are also reccomended?
Being able to have babies is a wonderful thing and I wouldn't change that, but if I could change how I feel since having them then I would because sometimes I don't know who I am, and around the time of my period I dislike myself so much I just want to lock myself away and not be around anyone, that way no one has to put up with how I feel.
I'd be grateful of any advice.
Thank you
Debs
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Jul 26, 2004 18:36:19 GMT
Post by Catherine on Jul 26, 2004 18:36:19 GMT
Hi Deb, Just go into the doctors and say quite firmly, I would like you to prescribe Cyclogest (natural progesterone) as I suffer from PMS. It might be an idea to have a couple of months records to show how your moods change pre menstrually, although I didn't. If your wishy washy and unsure they won't recommend it, so be blunt and just say you are going to try it to see if it helps, they cannot refuse to prescribe it. Regards Cath
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Jul 26, 2004 21:42:00 GMT
Post by Deb on Jul 26, 2004 21:42:00 GMT
Cath Thanks for replying. The thought of going to my GP stresses me out because he is so unapproachable, can it only be prescribed? Have you taken the Cyclogest and if so did it ease the symptoms of PMT. I'm interested to know because I'd like to know how others feel before or around their periods.
Hope to hear from you.
Debs
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Jul 26, 2004 23:19:51 GMT
Post by Catherine on Jul 26, 2004 23:19:51 GMT
Hi Deb, Yes, Cyclogest is available by prescription only, I take 800mg per day for the last 14 days of my cycle and , for me, it works very well. Apparently PMS is associated with oestrogen dominance (causing the irritability etc)and taking progesterone balances both hormones out. If your doctor is intimidating, change, you have every right to. I did, and I now attend a health clinic that has lots of doctors and I see which ever one I choose to. If you don't want to change, then as I said before, take the 'bull by the horns' and be as unemotional as he is about it, just say, "I suffer from PMS and I want you to prescibe Cyclogest for me " he can't say no! You have to remember that doctors are part of a health SERVICE, they are there to serve you, they are there to diagnose and prescribe medication, they are not really there to deal with our emotions to any great degree, that comes in councelling,psychotherapy etc. So use their services remembering that they are their to dispense medication and forgive your doctor his personality!! Best wishes Catherine
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gail
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have 1 daughter and have had this since 30 weeks of pregnancy :( my daughter is 27 months.
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Feb 13, 2006 15:24:48 GMT
Post by gail on Feb 13, 2006 15:24:48 GMT
im suffering pretty badly with PMT at the mo, i was in a mad rage for a couple of days for no real reason and i couldnt hide it. me and my boyf had a massive argument last nite for nothing, i just kept making digs at him and although he was patient at first he just snapped and i can say i dont know why but i just had to argue. his mate was downstairs and i didnt want him here (he'd been kicked out of his old house) and the more i thought about it the more blindly mad i got. i couldnt hide it and i was so rude, making digs at him that i thought i was perfectly entitled to make. my boyf was so embarassed but i couldnt help it i relaly couldnt, so i just stayed upstairs ot of the way until he left this morning. my boyf even had to physically stop me from going downstairs to have a massive go at him and tell him to get lost. and then, like i said me and D ended up having a huge argument about everything. i completley lost it it just all built up saying things i dindt even mean but thought i did thought i was in the right. i wasnt happy about his friend staying but at least usually i would make him feel welcome even though i didnt mean it, but this time i just made him feel soooo unwelcome it was extremely embarrassing. felt better after the argument though but today i feel really down and guilty about it. am going to the docs to get some CYclogest methinks!
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Feb 13, 2006 16:33:29 GMT
Post by cheshire on Feb 13, 2006 16:33:29 GMT
Hi Gail
My PMS has been AWFUL since PNI (as my cycle took a while to settle down, for several reasons). Although, I have to say that each month, it is a little bit better..
For me, I just feel so tearful and low that I know it must be PMS. My whole perspective on things and people temporarily changes and I become very paranoid and upset about things. I suppose I have been known to pick an argument with hubby too. Once, I've come on though, I do seem to feel slightly better - but really, really tired??!!
Anyway, I hope you feel a bit better soon. Hormones, who needs em
Hopefulxxx
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Mar 20, 2006 23:15:54 GMT
Post by hannah457 on Mar 20, 2006 23:15:54 GMT
hi. my pms has been really bad since i had pni. i seem to plummet down on the run up to my period and all the way through until the 2 or 3 day after my periods finished. its horrible love hannah xx
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Aug 25, 2006 11:30:54 GMT
Post by cheshire on Aug 25, 2006 11:30:54 GMT
My PMS has improved slightly, but is still pretty bad relative to pre - PNI - I can get strong urges to SH still. The ther 2 + weeks I'm ok again. Have been prescribed prozac and just take it the week before I'm due.
Has anyone else been preseribed prozac for PMS? Hx
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